SPOILER FILLED DISCUSSION OF "Batman V Superman"!!!

You've been warned! DO NOT PROCEED until you've seen the movie!

So what was your biggest jaw-dropping or heart wrenching moment that you've been dying to tell someone about?

So many for me in the last 30 minutes. When that bone stabbed through Superman's heart I was like "Oh my gosh, they're really doing it!"

Some have criticized the death of Superman because it happened before he was celebrated and known by the world and other heroes and so we don't feel anyone mourning him like they did in the comic story. Personally, I find this MORE powerful, because he sacrificed himself for everyone without being universally celebrated by people. It was so much more like the death of Jesus than the original story, and even setting that aside I think it adds a layer of great nobility and compassion to Superman's character for him to do this, even though Martha rightly observed that he doesn't owe the world a thing.

Yeah, Superman is just a guy trying to do the right thing, but I can't think of a time he's reflected our Savior more closely.

I'll be a dissenting voice here, as I just posted my thoughts over at my Geekklesia site http://geekklesia.blogspot.com/2016/03/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice.html

(if you want, I can cross post it to CGC, but I know that I've been off the radar for a while)

I was surprised they made Bruce Wayne older, and had him doing the Batman thing for 20 or so years. It seemed to make the lack of any mention of him in "Man of Steel" a bit odd.

And I never saw Metropolis and Gotham as been so close to each other.

The spray painted Batsuit makes me wonder what his Joker was like.

Not sure how to understand Wayne's strange apocalyptic dream. Was it something from the future? Or from another dimension? And who was it talking to him from the computer screen?

The only big hole I noticed was right at the end. How did Luthor know that someone in the stars knew that Superman was dead? Was it maybe something he learned from the Kryptonian ship's archives? That's the only answer I can think of, but without knowing what he learned, it seems a bit contrived to bring it right at the end.

jazzact13 wrote:
1.I was surprised they made Bruce Wayne older, and had him doing the Batman thing for 20 or so years. It seemed to make the lack of any mention of him in "Man of Steel" a bit odd.

2. And I never saw Metropolis and Gotham as been so close to each other.

3. The spray painted Batsuit makes me wonder what his Joker was like.

4. Not sure how to understand Wayne's strange apocalyptic dream. Was it something from the future? Or from another dimension? And who was it talking to him from the computer screen?

5. The only big hole I noticed was right at the end. How did Luthor know that someone in the stars knew that Superman was dead? Was it maybe something he learned from the Kryptonian ship's archives? That's the only answer I can think of, but without knowing what he learned, it seems a bit contrived to bring it right at the end.

1. My thinking is that Batman still seems to be a pretty shadowy "urban legend", or at least his public status is unclear. Either way I figured an "all-powerful" alien made him seem irrelevant by comparison.

2. I agree. Metropolis is in Maryland and Gotham is in New Jersey according to an old DC RPG Atlas I have. I guess it was just convenient to the story?

3. If you look more closely that suit has an "R" on it, presumably for robin, who was likely killed by the Joker at some point. That's the leading fan theory anyway.

4. Yeah, those were weird. I'm guessing the nature of those visions will be explaned in the Justice League movie.

5. I tossed this in with the Batman visions. It felt more like a post-credits scene and I'm assuming it will be explained in the Justice League movie. I wouldn't have put it in the movie proper, though.

I promise I'm not copying you Paeter, but here are my spoiler-filled thoughts, mostly on the ending. Again our thoughts and pretty well aligned.



I had a feeling that guy from the future was The Flash (since time-travel seems to be a thing for him, at least in the TV series)

I missed the R on the spray painted suit. In the comic, I think it was The Joker who killed Robin. Makes me even more curious about The Joker this Batman had to fight.

Here's an interesting review. I'm not objecting to the themes, just the way they were presented.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/30/steve-deace-why-critics-are-wrong-about-batman-v-s/

cleireac wrote:Here's an interesting review. I'm not objecting to the themes, just the way they were presented.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/30/steve-deace-why-critics-are-wrong-about-batman-v-s/

He's got some good points! Not sure about all of them. And his tone is a bit... hmm, I'm not sure. But it made me uneasy.

They're having an interesting discussion about the movie over at Speculative Faith. This is the first part of it.

http://www.speculativefaith.com/badfan-v-superman-top-ten-movie-myths-part-1/

You beat me to it Jazz.

One of the Spec Faith reviews had a link to this deleted scene, which does help explain that last conversation between Batman and Luthor, though it also brings up other questions, like who on or off Earth that is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-MUzvASr8s

A local pastor from my city has just posted his analysis on Batman V Superman.
https://andrewcorbett.blogspot.com.au/2016/04/the-gospel-in-batman-versus-superman.html

Seems he is on the same page as most of us.

jazzact13 wrote:I missed the R on the spray painted suit. In the comic, I think it was The Joker who killed Robin. Makes me even more curious about The Joker this Batman had to fight.

That universe's Joker will be featured in Suicide Squad

I was wondering if that movie would tie in to BvS, or was a separate story.

jazzact13 wrote:I was wondering if that movie would tie in to BvS, or was a separate story.

Based on the latest trailer it sounds like it happens in the aftermath of Batman V Superman.

I was feeling somewhat neutral about SS, but I'm looking forward to it a little more these days! It will be interesting to see a different director's style applied to the same cinematic universe. Yes, Marvel has been using multiple directors, but they keep them on a pretty tight leash and enforce a largely consistent style and tone. I'm curious about a cinematic universe that potentially reflects the diversity of styles you find in DC/Marvel comic books, which share the same worlds but different creative teams.

Has there been any news on if Affleck's Batman, or maybe even Wonder Woman, might make an appearance in Suicide Squad? Or maybe even a hint of a resuscitated Superman?

I've heard rumors about Batman being in SS but I don't know if it was confirmed although it looks like he's in the newest trailer but of course DC would never have spoilers in their trailers.

DC recently announced a untitled event movie which I'm going to guess is about the return of Superman

Rickster wrote:I've heard rumors about Batman being in SS but I don't know if it was confirmed although it looks like he's in the newest trailer but of course DC would never have spoilers in their trailers.

DC recently announced a untitled event movie which I'm going to guess is about the return of Superman

Bats could be seen super-briefly in one of the first SS trailers, but I have no idea how much he is in the movie. I'm guessing Ben Affleck may not even be involved and Batman will just be a shadowy figure seen from the criminals perspective, but I could be waaaay off, since WB seems to think (probably rightly) that more Batman sells more tickets.

Pretty certain Affleck has a role in Suicide Squad, but not sure how big a role.

Ooh, announcement of new film? Sounds like there's not many details, but I must learn more. To google!

I found this article is interesting:

http://moviepilot.com/posts/3921975?utm_source=fb-channel-superheroes&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=new-head-of-dc-films-geoff-johns-hears-fans-loud-and-clear